To worship God or Jesus?

This is another post in which I’m clearly not ready to complete the subject.  I’m not sure if I’ll ever be, so let’s just call this a starting point. 

Growing up, I was always taught to look to the Bible, the Cross, and sometimes even to pray to the picture of Jesus in the Last Supper that hung over many dinner tables.  I had assumed that these were all simple representations of God.  Since we were really worshipping and praying to God in our minds and hearts, it never occurred to me that this might violate the first three commandments in some way.

As I said, I used to feel that people looked to these symbols of God and his power because we can not at all fathom God himself, so it becomes hard to direct the focus of our worship at him.  These symbols are a much easier target.  To me this seemed perfectly ok.  Clearly these symbols were a representation of a small set of God’s attributes.  We have the Cross which shows his mercy, we have the Bible which shows his power and authority, we have the image of Jesus which describes his grace, even the Virgin Mary and the Apostles portray an aspect of God in their lives.  God is all of these and much more, but it should be ok to focus on just a part when trying to worship the whole. 

Recently, I’ve become more educated on Hinduism, and I’m beginning to understand why there are so many Gods in the religion.  Originally, it was similar to Greek mythology to me.  Greek mythology was developed to explain the world without the benefit of any real form of scientific understanding.  This excused the ancient Greeks when they chose to believe such fanciful stories.  It never made sense to me why, in this day and age, such well-educated individuals could follow a religion like Hinduism, which seemed to have the same fanciful, imaginative gods as in Greek mythos. 

I now understand that Hinduism does not allow for these Gods as actual gods, like in Greek mythology.  It allows these gods to exist as representations of the one true God, Brahman.  In this way, Hindus can worship their own representations of the same God.  In this light, it is a monotheistic religion in the same sense as Christianity. 

These days it seems that many Christians have stopped worshipping God and have started worshipping just the symbol itself.  Clearly some branches of Christianity have chosen to worship the Virgin Mary and the Apostles.  I’ve heard such phrases as “Pray to the Cross” or “The Bible will show you the way.”  For some Christians, it is possible to still consider the symbols of God as just that, symbols.  For others, the line becomes gray and the symbols seem to take on a power, a life and a following of their own. 

To me the strongest, and most complex, symbol of God is Jesus.  Of course, the debate has raged on for two thousand years.  Was Jesus completely God? Partly God? How much of his God-like qualities did he give up to become human?  In my mind, it has to be clear that Jesus is less than God.  If God is all-powerful, all-present, and all-knowing, then Jesus must be less than that for there to be a distinction between he and God.  Otherwise, there would not be any purpose in the idea of a Trinity.  I’m not really going to argue this point now, maybe later, when I really want to have a completely futile argument with myself. 

However, the fact is that Jesus is somewhat different than God, he has to be.  And God is who we are worshipping.  So then why do we worship Jesus at all?  Many argue that Jesus is the one that saved us by dying on the cross, so that is why he should be worshipped.  I’m reading a book, The Story of Christian Theology, in which centuries of Christian philosophy is focused on what Jesus did on the cross and how we are saved because of it. 

I’ve always viewed God’s forgiveness as something that was a gift from him, a direct result of his love.  If you read the key verse in the Bible:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. “- John 3:16

The structure of this verse shows us that the key body of the sentence is “For God so loved the world…that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.”  To me, this clearly states the premises that God loves us (the first premise), if we believe that he does love us (the second premise), then we are saved (the conclusion).  The “that he gave his only begotten Son” is not a premise to the conclusion that we are saved; it merely supports the premise.  The vehicle to salvation is not the illustration that supports God’s love, but his love itself and the acceptance of his love.  In the same way that the vehicle to sin was not the illustration of sin (the fruit in the Garden of Eden), but the acceptance of sin, the act eating the fruit and defying God’s will for our own personal satisfaction.  The verse could have been written:

“For God so loved the world, that he did something amazing to show his love, that whosoever believes that he does love us should not perish but have everlasting life.”

As sad as it sounds, I do not believe that Jesus had to die for us to go to Heaven.  God is God.  He could have saved us as he chooses.  But Adam, Eve, and the rest of us have decided that God’s love is not enough, so Jesus had to come to show what God’s love really is.  A simple “I Love You” card would not have convinced us.  

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. ” – John 15:13

Jesus was the illustration of God’s love.  Yes, Jesus did something amazing in accordance with God’s will, but ultimately, God is who saves us, not Jesus.  God is who we should worship, not Jesus. 

111 thoughts on “To worship God or Jesus?

    1. How many times in the Bible does Jesus state that God the Father is owed all our praise. So even Jesus wanted our focus to be on God the Father over him.

      Do you praise a great gift you are given? Or the person who gave you that gift?

    2. thanks for telling the truth. the bible “literalists” insist that the bible proves jesus was god. but a nonprejudiced reading of the bible disclaims that belief.

      the bible literalists claim that because people worshipped jesus, he was god. this is not fair.

      the story that jesus was God who stepped down from heaven to walk as a human defeats the claims of christianity that jesus was in every way like us and so could share in our humanity.

      include the belief that jesus was sinless and you have an impossible paradigm.,

      from the bible, it was clear jesus sinned, i.e.:

      did not honor his father and mother (stayed behind in jerusalem, and back-sassed his parents who were looking for him) (disrespected mary when he asked her, “woman, what have i to do with thee?”);

      he stole a herd of swine and ran them off a cliff;

      he stole a donkey and rode it into town;

      he cursed a barren fig tree (unjustly, as it was out of season);

      he caused a public disturbance and damaged others’ property in the temple;

      he said, “if you call your brother a fool, you shall be in danger of the fire of hell”, but he called the pharisees blind fools.

      if any other human had done these things, he would be characterized as a criminal and a sinner.

      the fact the jesus was a sinner makes him human and therefore his power is available to all humans.

      1. I have never seen it in the new testament, It is just another misinterpretation of some religious fanatics.
        But the 10 commandments says: ‘thou shall not worship another God next to me’, and Jesus said that he did not come to make the law of Moses invalid…that speaks for itself!

      2. No, Jesus was without sin, but you are correct that he was a man. Jesus was a man that was tempted in all things like as we are, whereas no one can tempt God. Jesus Christ is the way, but God is the destination!

      3. Not to offend you, but I can tell that you haven’t really been reading your bible, or are an atheist/satanist trolling Christian pages. You choose. The bible states in several different places that Jesus is God and God too is God. I’m not talking about the Trinity doctrine, I’m speaking what the bible says. Do more research and you’ll see the truth that Jesus was NOT just some mere human. You say He sinned, but your examples aren’t valid. He did not honor His father and mother? First, Joseph wasn’t His father. His Father is the one who was still in Heaven (read John 3:16-19). Mary too was just a vessel that was used for the glory of the Father. He didn’t steal a herd of swine. The demons went into them and ran them off the cliff. I’m not going to go into all of your heresies, but if you DO believe in God, ask Him for forgiveness. Every idle word a man speaks will be counted against him in the day of judgement if he doesn’t repent.

  1. I loved this. It only solidifies what I have been thinking. I love Jesus with all my heart but it is God we need to worship.

  2. But Jesus said that He and the Father are One. While it is true they are separate entities in the trinity, the 3 work together inexplicably becoming One. Trinity is a hard concept to understand but I believe that we worship the Father Son and the holu ghost 3 in one!

  3. Worship of Jesus is idolatry in God’s eyes. The most simplest answer is really two questions.

    1. Exactly which God did Jesus worship? See Mt 4:10
    2. Exactly which God did Jesus return to? See Jn 20:17

    We live in the era of mythology that Apostle Paul predicted. If you want more complete answers, go to for Apostle Edward’s blog and the full text of the Book of Edward.

    The exegesis above on Jn 3:16 is right on. And everyone should read Jn 3:36 a full twenty verses further on. It is obedience to the teachings of Jesus that will eliminate God’s wrath. Those teachings taught us to worship the God that Jesus served, whom he called the Father.

    Paul explains in 2 Thess 1:8 why you should do this. When Christ returns, he takes vengeance on two groups of people. The first group identified are those who do NOT KNOW GOD. Ergo, if you do not know the God Jesus worshipped and called us to serve, you never got the message of Christ. You got the message of the church.

    If you think Jesus is God, you never got the message God sent Jesus down with. You got the message of the church.


    Apostle Edward

    1. In Revelations it clearly shows that Jesus, The Lamb, and God who sits on the throne are worthy of worship and praise by beasts, humans and even Angels. There is but one whom is God. We do not worship Jesus as God the creator but as the son of God, he who is seated at the right hand of the Father.

      1. the book of revelation was not about historical events, but of st. john’s vision on patmos. therefore the entire book of revelation is imaginary and should be treated as someone’s vision, (albeit st. john), not as fact.

  4. Peace be upon you,

    Allow me to call you ‘brother in faith.’ You have learned the reason for your existence, acknowledgement and worship of GOD as One, all mercy and forgiveness comes from GOD, and there are none equal to GOD. Congradulations 🙂

  5. Excellent article. Here is my theological research from the past 5 years since I turned to the good book for guidance in life.

    Jesus himself spells out who we are to worship at John 4:21, now let’s examine theological evidence that someone who NEVER worshipped Jesus got to heaven.

    Abraham’s life is chronicled in Genesis but does not include a single reference to Jesus or God’s only begotten son. Therefore, what Jesus is saying in John 14:6 is that the only way to the Father is by the Father’s will. The inference is that Jesus is the Father’s will observed (The Word became flesh). And if you have any doubts about Abraham being saved, please read Luke 16:19-31

    In fact, Abraham isn’t even a Jew for that matter. The best classification I can think of is simply a ‘righteous man’. In fact, prior to Moses’ covenant with God, there were no Jews. So effectively Judaism in it’s ‘complete’ form (613 commandments) doesn’t even begin until Exodus.

    Adam, Noah, Abraham and all of the patriarchs are simply ‘righteous men’ who worshipped the Father in spirit and in truth. And where it comes to Jesus’ statement, that ALL must get to the Father through him, these men qualify despite never having met or thought of Jesus.

    ASA Pentateuchal

    1. I disagree with the observations:

      Abraham: “Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my [i.e. Jesus’] day. He saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56)

      Following is a verse that says that every single Old Testament saint who will go to heaven is only because of the atoning death of Jesus.

      “Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.” (Hebrews 9:15).

      The fallacy of your argument is in assuming that they go to God without Jesus, because they did not know Jesus. The only reason they are going to heaven is that God applies the death of Jesus to cover their sin. They may not have known why they were given access to the presence of the Holy God, but the way always was and is will ever be the same – The substitutionary death of Jesus. He is THE WAY!

      1. In His Grace, I find your arguement fallous. The first cause of Jesus happening is GOD’S LOVE. That is the subject that christians miss. Instead, they idolize the wooden cross, Jesus on it, some even go as far as worshipping Mary. God’s love is the subject, not Jesus hanging on a cross. God could have done it in other ways which would have never negated His love for us.I sincerely believe many christians put God in a box when they spend time adoring the baby in a manger, versus the Grand Creator of the entire Universe. Our purpose goes on beyond the here and now. Jesus, the fleshly figure existed for 33 1/2 years. He does not now exist and hasn’t been for over 2,000 years. God The Father has not ceased to exist. Jesus’ life is only a token example of how God The Father wnats us to live, not to spend time idolizing a fleshly figure Who no longer exists. And yes, neither, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, Jacob, King David(a man after GOD’S OWN HEART), nor the prophets worshipped Jesus the way christians do. Does that mean that they weren’t accounted as righteous before God The Father until Jesus came? If so, you are saying that it is Jesus who makes us righteous before God, and NOT God’s love, mercy and forgiveness SYMBOLIZED BY HIS GIVING JESUS HIS SON to us so we could physically relate to His divine and eternal love..I say worship God The Father, not Jesus.

      2. Yes, but you’re quoting something from the New Testament!…which is all about jesus and worshiping jesus, taking the focus off our Creator, Most High, Eternal, Sovereign King….the work of the enemy. Just as the Old Testament is the word of God. Satan set up the blueprint for the words of the New Testament. A new God to pray to and worship-the new God is Jesus, I know, I prayed and worshipped him, always troubled about and wondering about not praying to Our Father. Now I know why I was troubled by that. I believed the new testament. “I and my Father are one” I believed the lies, and now I don’t. It is completely clear now as to whom I should be worshipping and praying to. Praise Your Holy Name Father.

  6. I have been having some thoughts on this myself. I can’t really grasp the idea of worshiping Jesus. I think all our worship should be to God. I have wondered this for so long and still I have no idea what to do.

    1. hi Anthony, Just know you are in the company of others who are searching out the truth and finding it. In my case, no one near me believes this information. I know two other people who are out west and that is it. Its hard to know what to do, but all I can say is just keep praising your Creator and know He wanted you to know- He knew you’d find out way back. And yes he wants all His children to find out and know the truth. Its just that, that most likely wont happen. Most people aren’t looking up, He’s the last thing on peoples minds in this busy world full of distractions and posessions. Stay strong in your beliefs. I wish for a bible study with those who have found this truth. That would be such a blessing. Praise His Holy Name!

      1. please do not worship jesus…do not trust these pagans beliefs..if there could be a SON Of GOD,it should be very well mentioned in old should be very well discussed by prophets like Abraham,,jacob, moses…please do not worship Jesus or any 1 besides your creator.JESUS DID Not CREAT YOU.may b jesus is himself unaware of these beliefs..Please i request you all…Read the Koran once..the original translation of it..just once…You will get All your answerz….

  7. 1st of all I wanted to point out that in John 3:16 the Him it says we are to believe in is Jesus. This follows the rules of grammar (the Him refers to the last noun before it, which is the Son) but more importantly is confirmed in the verse before and the next few verses after v. 16 which say:
    v.14-15 – even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
    v.17 – For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
    v.18 – He who believes in Him is not judged, he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Also, yes God is a God of love, but He is also righteous and holy. That means that He cannot accept sin, there must be a payment for it. God says that the payment for sin is death (Romans 6:23), and that it is the shedding of blood that covers sin. (Hebrews 9:22) In the old testament it was through the sacrifices, but Jesus came to be that sacrifice once and for all.

    2nd the bible makes it clear that Jesus as the Lamb of God is to be worshipped and that one day EVERYONE will bow in worship to Him whether they believed in Him in this life or not.
    Phillipians 2:1-11 goes into detail about this and ends by saying “at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
    Revelation 4:12 says “worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing”.
    Sounds like worship to me. If Jesus has saved me then He is worthy of my praise and honor…worship.

    1. Thank you, ‘me’! I was about to comment in the same vein… All too often people take the word of God out of context.

      However, I was taught to thank God IN the name of Jesus (Eph 5:20; Rom 1:8; Heb 13:12-15). I thank God FOR Jesus, and for what He allowed Him to do — as well as for the gift of the Holy Spirit. And although they are one (1 John 5:7; John 1:1,14; John 10:24-38) in ways our finite minds cannot comprehend, Jesus shows a respect and honor to God the Father that only seems right to reciprocate.

  8. I am in agreement with ‘me’ much more than the original article. It appears that Kido has written his article based on his own thoughts, a bit of his impression of how religious people act and then finally 2 verses (niether of which support his final view).

    I don’t need to give a lengthy response, but I will simply remind you all of 2 more bible verses;

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

    These verses say very clearly that Jesus is God. Please don’t get caught up in trying to understand the Holy trinity, because I believe you never fully will while on this earth, likewise from the information we are given you will never fully understand what Jesus ‘gave up’ or became to exist as a man here on earth.

    Praise God, through our Lord Jesus Christ for his gift of salvation!

    1. 1. how is it that “the word was god” is interpreted “jesus is god”?

      2. jesus also said, “i do not know, only the father knows when the end will be.” was jesus and god one or not? jesus also said, “not my will be done but thy will be done.” so was jesus one with the father?

      it is clear that jesus never claimed to be god, nor did he EVER claim to be the son of God. he did refer to himself as the “Son of Man” 85 times in the 4 gospels. when asked “are you the son of god” he said, “you have said so.” (not exactly an admission)

      you are blinded by prejudice and not rightly dividing the word.

  9. the individual who stated that we should worship the Father is truly correct.It is a fact that Emperor Constantine created what is now called Christianity along with pagan religious rulers.The Creator said He has no part in idolatrous worship.Many Christians choose to ignore this fact as if this is of unimportance.The catholic church is also responsible for the Gospel tamperings of new is a fact that Rome worshipped a trinity and a dying resurrecting saviour god.Since this institution had control over the content of the New Testament..and we as later believers read and study it..we should therefore analyze the true Gospel of Jesus stripped of pagan coverings.Doing so,leads us back to the pure worship of the Creator in truth and Spirit..just the way Jesus taught us to do.Our scriptures testify that this same institution is responsible for a major deception.Those who study the bible and its message have found that this same institution has created a god for itself. And this is not in accordance with Bible prophecy nor the purpose of the Messiah.The question remains..what compromise does the Creator have with idolatry? Why is it that this new god that people worship is the same IMAGE as the heathen gods of the nations that knew not YAHWEH? Does our Creator forbid us to worship the gods of the heathen..then contradict Himself by acting in the same way as He forbid?! Yahweh is is written in the scriptures..and their clearly has been a change. I have reasoned with Christians of all denominations as well as Jews and Muslims.I know the books and the language and history.It is an established fact that the Jew and Muslim have adhered tho the first commandment of no gods before GOD, while the Christian has clung to pagan beliefs and worship of a god besides the Almighty.It is not the fault of Jesus Christ.While he was on earth, he kept his followers and disciples in the Fathers name..thus adhering to the first commandment and the faith of the patriarchs before him.Jesus is the messiah,and the teacher of the law of Moses as God had him commissioned.But he ate food,cried,bled,wept,and was subject to death.Those who believe otherwise have violated the first commandment and all others which hang on this Law.The gospel of John was written in 90 AD..there was no new testament in time of Jesus.So for everyone who says that eternal life is to believe in Jesus being God are decieved..while the Messiah himself said Eternal life is to worship the Father and keep the commandments if you wish to enter into life..he didnt say worship me as god.The worship of the messiah is not a part of Israel,but a part of the heathen nations.Why our bible shows us that these nations who promote worship of a SUN god Jeezus are rightly called BABYLON…ROME, ENGLAND and AMERICA. If God calls these can anyone listen to those who promote such idolatrous behaviour? And Jesus told us you can tell them by their fruits. And history shows that these three nations are responsible for the Christian movement as we know them..ROME..CATHOLICISM ENGLAND…PROTESTANTISM/FREEMASONRY…AND AMERICA…CATHOLIC/PROTESTANT/FREEMASONIC. THE FIRST BEAST=ROME…2ND BEAST…WITH TWO HORNS=ENGLAND AND ROME…all based on the worship of a “SON/SUN” of god that the pagan nations worshipped before….Lucifer! disguised as a angel of Light and seeks worship and exaltation besides the Almighty! Bible prophecy has come true! So in conclusion ,it is not Jesus at all that they worship…nor do they follow him for that would mean keeping sabbath and 1st commandment. They worship the dragon as we are told in revelations. All true believers…serve and worship the Creator Yahweh Adonai as the real human Jesus Christ has done and taught not led astray by false prophets and doctrines that make no sense and are easily picked apart because theyre not founded on truth. Follow and obey jesus Christ,learn from him that you may be ONE with the Father and the Father may abide in you..and YOU in the Father…Shalom

    1. I like what you said, I read my bible everyday ( worship ) and you are right. Jesus told us what to do. Nobody does it though but like scripture say’s worshipping the creature more than the creator. You can’t be wrong with worshipping the Father ( the creator, Most high God ). If people don’t believe Jesus all he did was talk about the Father and pray. Christians must think Jesus was baring false witness. If you are just listening to someone talk every sunday and not praying to the father,worshipping, studying, reading and doing research they may never get it rite

  10. hehe… when Jesus claimed that He and the Father are one, it played a very big part in the history of mankind. IT could either be an insane statement, a demonic sentence, or a heaven-sent claim. When Philip asked that he wants to see the Father and that would be enough (John 14), Jesus pointed Himself as the representation of not just God’s love, mercy and justice. Jesus pointed Himself as ONE with God Himself! “If you want to see God the Father, look to God the SOn! I Am HE!” I guess, when we ask why on earth did Jesus came – it was to that very purpose that He wants to give Glory to the Father, not just to be a representation of love or justice. “I and The Father are One.” I Believe, the Jews in Jesus’ time, crucified Him because of what most of us talk here in this blog: that He claims to be God. He claimed. Before Abraham, He was! He Is! and He will always Be! We can either put Him on the side of the heavenly angels or of satan… A great guru or just a madman who suffered from severe schizophrenia claiming He is Superman…

    as to the dilemma in John 4 and other verses, Jesus confronted a confused Gentile worshiper that He is the One! – “I who speak to you am He.” And much shocking is when Jesus claimed that when we are worshiping Him, we are worshiping The Father! Judas, that funny man, asked the question with the ulterior motive behind his back – “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” (Jn 14:22)

    Jesus’ answer?

    “If anyone loves me.. my Father will love him… these words belong to the Father who sent me…”

    The Old Testament was waiting for the Messiah who will be glorified because He takes away the sins of the world through suffering hard (Isaiah 53), and even wrote the name – “Immanuel” to connote that GOd Himself will save us… Immanuel means God with us… Funny.. the angel tagged Jesus as this…
    “He was save His people from their sins and He will be called – Immanuel…”(Mat 1:22-23)

    i don’t know… but if an angel, and even GOd Himself speaks in the Bible… i should listen… and i should love… loving Jesus is to the extent that i will worship Him.. and thus, I am worshipping the Father…

    mwahaha.. people some of you guys here may not believe this… but well, i tell you.. GOd bless… Immanuel…

    (sorry, i can’t explain everything even if i have all the words in the world… and if, even i have explained, the problem is in the heart, not in the explanations.. hihi… visit me at not me, but GOD… mwah!)

  11. I agree totally. I dont think we should be worshipping Jesus over God,the creator. Jesus worshipped and prayed to God when he was on Earth. God is not Three. God is one. Jesus is not God. Jesus came to Earth to teach . He was a great Teacher. To worship him is wrong and an insult to God.
    A interesting site worth visiting which goes further why we shouldnt give glory to Jesus is ‘ Foundation of the Church of the new’ It contains many chanelled messages from Jesus. It certainly changed my perception of the christian church.

  12. I am so glad there are others who feel the same as I do. The early christian church and its dogma and doctrines along with the authors of the Bible have swayed followers to worship Jesus and have disregarded his teachings … Worship God the Father only!

    I luv and admire Jesus for what he did.. which was to show us the way to God but I believe it blasphemous and offensive to God the Creator to worship anyone else. Of Course, eveyone looks at you like you an alien when you express this belief, but I really believe that its the Truth {‘and the Truth shall set you free’) When Jesus said to his discipiles that He was ‘The Way, the truth and the life’ He meant by his words, examples and teachings was ‘The Way…’ He was a great Teacher. Thats why he came to earth.

    1. If these scriptures are true, that worship is only for God:
      Acts 10:25-26
      As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
      Revelation 22:8-9
      Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
      Romans 1:25
      who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

      … And Jesus was worshiped and accepted worship in these scriptures:
      Matthew 2:11
      Matthew 8:2
      Matthew 9:18
      Matthew 14:33
      Matthew 15:25
      Mark 5:6-7
      Mark 9:35-38
      Hebrews 1:6
      Revelation 5:1-14

      Matthew 28:16-20
      Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.

      The question to us today is, if Jesus accepted worship, who are we to say He was wrong? It seems that Matt 28:20 is as true today as it was back then… “but some doubted”.

      1. mathhew 2:11 jesus was a baby…he accepted worship?
        matthew 8:2 jesus healed the leper without accepting worship
        matthew 9:19 synagogue official asks for his daughter to be healed…the jew does not worship jesus.
        matthew 14:33 the men in the boat worshipped him after he calmed the storm. he did not request or accept worship from the men.
        matthew 15:25 a woman bowed before him and asked him to save her daughter. she is not worshipping him as God.
        mark 5:6 jesus heals an unclean man. jesus instructs the man not to tell anyone. it does not sound like jesus wants to be worshipped.
        mark 9 :35 jesus holds up a baby and says whoever receives a child receives jesus. jesus says a baby is as worthy as himself. where is the distinction between man and god?

        we need not examine st. john’s vision on patmos, as that is not historical, but a vision.

        you better research your topic more carefully, without prejudice.

  13. Jesus is God – Prophecies

    * Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament
    Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1

    “Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was “God with us.”

    * This Messiah would be born a human son, but have a higher nature
    Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

    This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet — especially calling a human being “Mighty God”; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ.

    1. where in the bible does anyone ever actually call jesus “emmanuel”? (nowhere)

      has the government ever been on jesus’ shoulders? (no)

      jesus said, “i come not to bring peace, but a sword.” (not the prince of peace)

      you are stretching to interpret the prophecies as having been fulfilled.

  14. I do not understand what is so difficult about God in Three Persons –

    God speaks and things happen –

    Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning, God (Eloheim) created the heavens and the earth.”

    God is Spirit –

    Genesis 1:2b “and the Spirit of God (Ruach Eloheim) was hovering over the waters.”

    God is Body –

    Genesis 3:8a “Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God (Adonai = Sacred Name Eloheim) as He was walking in the garden in the cool of the day..”

    We are told that no-one sees God and lives and yet –

    Genesis 16:13 “She called the name of the LORD (sacred name) who spoke to her “You are the God who sees me” for she said” I have now seen the One who sees me.”

    Genesis 17:1 “When Abram was 99 years old, the LORD (sacred name) appeared to him and said ‘I am God Almighty’ (El Shaddai)…”

    Genesis 18:22 “The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD (sacred name).” 23a “Then Abraham approached Him…”

    What is so difficult – there is just ONE GOD but He can appear as spirit and in body, when needed; He is still ONE. Shemi Yisrael (Hear, Oh Israel), Adonai Eloheinu (sacred name, our God); Adonai echad (sacred name is ONE) – in the same way that man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to hie wife and they shall become one/a unity = same word.


    1. He is One but in three forms… God the Son, while on earth, prayed to God the Father (John 11:41-42). The Holy Ghost descended upon God the Son, then God the Father spoke from Heaven in His approval of God the Son (Luke 3:22).

      This website is also a good reference [most of the time] for clarity:

      1. Also: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word*, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (KJV 1 John 5:7)

        *My Reference Bible footnotes “the Word” with these scriptures: John 1:1, Rev 19:13.

  15. I now can see that we are not alone. My studies with my 34 yr old daughter, a Catholic by her upbringing and a Shia Muslim by marriage and 2 beautiful granddaughters.

    My numerous Sikh friends will also want to contribute. Their one God that they worship.

    You will hear from us soon.

  16. Matthew 28:9,17 – After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him.

    Hebrews 1:6 – Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.


    Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus.

  17. great article and I’m glad you put these thoughts down on here. It’s a subject I recently have begun to think about as I often do. That is to find and see the ways “we” so often lose site of the “meta” characteristics and thoughts of what God is. Is he Jesus? Is Jesus him? Is God even a him? I’ve come to the conclusion from the word of God and from many of the authors of the Bible that to “know” God is futile, but rather it is by our personal experience that we “know” God. I believe that these arguments go beyond the Jesus one and are plentiful in today’s Christianity considering everyone since the faith’s establishment has been dropping there “two cents” on every minute detail. Am I right?

    1. Jesus heard that they had put him out, and finding him, He said, “Do you believe in the Son of MAN?” 36 He answered, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you.”

      How is “Son of Man” interpreted as “Son of God”?

      Just because someone is worshipped does not make him God, nor a god, nor an eternally begotten son of God.

  18. The Bible should be the final authority. The following has been borrowed from:

    We see that Jesus was often worshiped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.

    1. Matthew 8:2 – A leper came and worshiped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]

    2. Matthew 14:33 – After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshiped Him saying He was the Son of God.

    3. John 9:38 – After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshiped Jesus.

    Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.

    Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.

    1. Matthew 28:9,17 – After His resurrection, His disciples worshiped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]

    2. Luke 24:52 – Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshiped Him.

    3. Hebrews 1:6 – Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.

    Note that men were rebuked for worshiping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshiping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority – the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.

    Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus’ own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity.

    1. “men were never rebuked for worshipping jesus?” pardon, but wasn’t that the reason people wanted him crucified?

      didn’t saul of tarsus kill people who worshipped jesus?

      wake up brother!

  19. After studying the new testament and being able to quote the words of Jesus word for word spreading the gospel, I believe my eyes have now been opened to this false doctrine. I do not read the new testament now…who wrote it?, is it really the words of our Creator, as is the Old Testament? Some say we needed this “new contract” and I now want to know if the Roman Catholic Church and others were responsible for taking bits and pieces of the Old testament to write it….giving the world a new god -Jesus to worship and pray to…that this is not what God had intended but knew fully that it would happen, as He knows all things. I base my Faith and Beliefs on Worshiping the Most High, The Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, The Eternal, Our Sovereign God, on the Following scriptures and many many other scriptures: Isaiah 42:5-8 Thus saith God the Lord, He that created the heavens and stretched them out, He that spread forth the earth,and that which cometh out of it, He that giveth breadth unto the people upon it and spirit to them that walk therein. I the Lord have called thee in righteousness and will hold thine hand and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people for a light of the gentiles; to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison AND THEM THAT SIT IN DARKNESS OUT OF THE PRISON HOUSE. I am the Lord; that is my name and my glory will I not give to another neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 43:3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy one of Israel, thy SAVIOR: I gave Egypt for thy ransom. Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses saith the Lord and my servant whom I have chosen:….(I believe this is David…search it out) that ye may know and believe me and understand that I AM HE; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I am the Lord; and beside me there is no savior. 13 Yea before the day was, I am He; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work and who shall let it? 15 I am the Lord, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King. 25 I even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake and will not remember thy sins. Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and His redeemer the Lord of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord and there is none else, there is no God beside me; I girded thee, though thou has not known me. That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord and there is none else. Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye and bring them near yea let them take counsel together; who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me, a just God and A SAVIOR; there is none beside me. Look unto me and be ye saved all the ends of the earth;for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every toungue shall swear Isaiah 46:4 And even to your old age I am He and even to hoar hairs will I carry you;I have made and I will bear; even I will carry and will deliver you. 9 Remember the former things of old; for I am God and there is none else; I am God and there is none like me. Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me oh Jacob and Israel, my called, I am He; I am the first, I also am the last. Isaiah 49:26 and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy SAVIOR and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. PROVERBS 3;32 HIS SECRET IS WITH THE RIGHTEOUS……I continue to pray for knowledge and to fear Him, as this is the beginning of knowledge. Psalm 34:18 Behold the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear Him, upon them that hope in His mercy…..Be meek? A quiet humble spirit…try hard-it is hard Psalm 147:6 The Lord lifteth up the meek; He casteth the wicked down to the ground. Psalm 149:4 For the Lord taketh pleasure in His people ;He will beautify the meek with salvation. We need to keep our eyes on Israel, Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an Holy people unto the Lord thy God, the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The Lord did not set His love upon you, nor choose you because ye were more in number than any people, for ye were the fewest of all people….For the rest of us Isaiah 49:6 I will also give thee for a light to the gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth…..You must Honor His Sabbaths (sunset fri. to sunset sat. search it out) no work, rest, reading His word, prepare food beforehand, no cooking, no exchange of money, just worship, praise, music, brethren Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on thy holy day,and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shall honor Him, not doing thine own ways,nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words; then shall thy delight thyself in the Lord and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father, for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it….search out how many times the Creator talks about honoring His Sabbath day…that when He sees you doing it, it is HUGE with Him. Who cares enough to take the time to do what Our Gods tells us pleases Him?……Im almost done…The churches are preaching false doctrine- come out of them. I’m talking even the born again churches which are preaching a rapture that will not happen…man made doctrine started in 1800’s search it out I believe we are in Jacobs trouble (tribulation) things as we know it will change….If you’re watching the news or the weather, in the world I believe it says God is a jealous God and you will have no other Gods before me….or black magic , or voodoo, fornication, nothing….God is in control of everything and is pouring out His wrath. He sees very few people seeking Him, but may find them on their knees when devastation hits. Many may have found Him with recent events. He doesnt see many changing their ways and looking His way. It may be a good idea that before the hardest times hit, that people get out of the cities (martial law) and get more remote with food and water stocked. And finally Zephanian 2:3 Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought His judgement; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lords anger. Psalm 143:9 Deliver me O Lord from mine enemies: I flee unto thee to hide thee. We are in judgement right now every one of us; what we think, say, do. and then comes The Lords Day. Praise your Holy Name, Father.

  20. I’m with Jo. To worship Jesus is like worshipping a false Idol. Judiasm and Islam doesn’t have this problem. My God is Omniscient and Omnipotent. He is beyond our understanding. He is beyond good and evil. He would kill 10,000 people, I would not go against it. People should not question him because the beginning and the end. I won’t go against him because I can’t.

  21. I agree, God is the only one who should be worshiped. Anything else is putting an idol before God. I would like to explain why Jesus, (or some perfect being) did have to die for us to be saved though. The thing I love most about God is his sense of justice. Sure, he has the power to do whatever he wants, but he lives by his own set of rules and standards. Satan challenged his right to rule over us, and mankind rejected his right to govern over us (decide what is good and bad… the law). Sending Jesus to die as a man (providing a sacrifice so that a debt can be paid back to himself with the sacrifice) may seem like God was taking money out of one pocket and putting it in the other, but God was only living up to his own standards by doing that. (An eye for an eye, perfection for perfection. Get it?) Adam and Eve were perfect and they rejected God’s right to govern over us, so the only way to balance the scales was for another perfect being to live as a man, accept God’s sovereignty over us, and die. There were plenty of righteous men, Abraham, Job, but they were imperfect, and all of them and all of the animal sacrifices combined could never measure up to the life of just one perfect being. The reason is was Jesus? … Everything was created, by, through, and for Jesus, so who more fitting to rise up to Satan’s challenge of God’s sovereignty? This is why it was such a big deal that Jesus rejected Satan’s temptations. “I’ll give you all of the Kingdoms of the world if you just give me one act of worship.” Satan is the god of “this” world, he owns the “kingdoms” (governments) of this world. This is his time to rule as god, and mankind’s time to prove that we can govern ourselves. Once every form of government has been tried, and failed, there will be no question that God is the rightful ruler of the world, and that no creation can govern over itself better than God.

    1. Satan is not the God of anything. He is a the father of all lies, and merely the prince of the power of the air. Air doesn’t have much substance — I know, I fly in it daily. Too much focus and attention are provided Satan by man. He is powerless against anything righteous. Adam and Eve were easy targets, and the sovereignty of God can only explain why the fall was allowed to occur. This event having happened is outside my ability to understand. Christ’s sacrifice was not to defeat sin. It was to appease the righteous standard of a just God.

      When we say we are saved, we are obviously saved from something — this is self evident. That something however, is not sin. We are saved from the wrath of God for our sin. God has saved us from himself.

      You will have no other God’s before me, for I am a jealous God. Do not make the mistake of offering any recognition of power to anyone other than God, his Son, or his Spirit.

  22. Today’s Lesson:

    The Tree.

    & The garden scene….

    Genesis 2:

    ….but The Eternal Creator gave the man this warning:
    “You may eat any fruit in the garden except fruit from the Tree of good and evil – for its fruit will open your eyes to make you aware of right and wrong, good and bad. If you eat its fruit, you will be doomed to die.”

    Genesis 3

    “The serpent was the craftiest of all the creatures the Eternal Creator had made. So the serpent came to the woman. “Really!?” she asked..of all the fruit in the garden?” God says you mustn’t eat any of it?”

    “Of course we may eat it,” the woman told her. “It’s only the fruit from the tree at the center of the garden that we are not to eat. CREATOR says we mustn’t eat it or even touch it, or we will die.”

    Here is an example of how LUCIFER influences man today.,

    “Mike” said;

    —>I agree, God is the only one who should be worshiped. Anything else is putting an idol before God. I would like to explain why Jesus, (or some perfect being) did have to die for us to be saved though.<—-

    The opinion of Mike was subtly influenced by satan. "Mike" doesn't see that. More than likely, neither will you. Why? More than likely you have never read the Old Testament once. More than likely you listen to some other man's version of truth. When a heart is truly stirred in the blood to find the absolute truth, then The Creator slowly tunes that soul to His frequency. Its that simple. The matrix is truly a rotten tree.

    In light of what "Mike" said, or your pastor said, or what Moma and Papa said, or Grandma said, or the nice little old lady who made you cookies said, chances are, they stirred the pot with the wrong ingredient from the wrong side of the garden.
    But that is nothing more than a time honored tradition! HE may be calling you to seek HIM out with all your heart while there is still time to do that.

    Today, man continues to stir the pot with

    The wrong trees of
    Churchainity/Islam/Judaism/Buddhism/Paganism/Hinduism/Messianicism/Crescent Moon Worshipisms/Scientologyism/Agnosticism/Gnosticism/Evolutionisms/Atheism/etc all of the belief isms you could come up with, these systems are doomed. Except one, And if you dig deep enough, you will discover that all the spirited elements of err can be traced back to Ancient Babylon and its arrogant prick – Nimrod.

    The Result:

    ALL religions are eating from the wrong tree! Which, according to the CREATOR is transgression against HIM. Sin is death. All are either eating the wrong tree unknowingly and knowingly.
    Yet, do not despair. There is a way to turn that all around while you yet live!

    Ezekiel 18

    Be Aware,

    Jacob's Troubles' knocking on the door.

    May The ALMIGHTY ONE grant you understanding.

    1. Ben, you made a lot of blind, ignorant assumptions, and never actually made a point to follow them up with. Then you never explained in what way my comment was inspired by Satan. Furthermore, your comment sounds like a collage of plagiarism.

  23. moreove a true christian should follow jesus as he is word of god.and only thro him is is very simple to understand the teaching of jesus is good for the mankind,anyone who follows his teaching will be a good human being first of all.did he teach anything wrong? so i request whoever is searching for the truth God loves whoever is a good human being and by following jesus teaching we will be good human being.we have wasted all our life finding out who is great god or jesus?what i belive is let us do goodthings in this wolrd rest of our life to gain gods love and as jesus promise eternal life,for love is god so let us love each other .i request u guys to stop fighting over jesus or god.just use the word love cos love is what jesus like and for sure LOVE IS WHAT GOD LIKES

  24. symbols rule the world.
    kids rule their mamas and papas.
    people love idolatry & witchcraft.
    America will carve its pig next week.

    piss the Creator off more America.

    HIS wrath is coming.

  25. Paul wrote in 1st Corinthians: For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God, and further: but we preach Christ crucified…..

    Colossians 1:15:
    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

    John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.

    John 3:16: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    God the Father, while yes, being the head of the manifold spirit of God, nonetheless demands we worship his son. We worship the father appropriately by adulating the honor that has been placed on the son… By believing in the “Anointed Lord who Saves” (Jesus Christ). Make no mistake: Our religion of Christianity is worship of the Son, who is of the Father. We call Christ “Lord”. Through him, by him, and for him, was all creation made. God loved his son so much, that everything was made as gift for the Son. The gift reaches it’s apex in the true Church, or the community of people that love Christ.

    If this is incorrect, why is it that the Jews are not held in honor, but rather, the message of Christ transitioned to the gentiles? Because of their lack of belief in Jesus. Yes, they believed in the father [Jews], but rejected his son, whom God clearly says is his ONLY beloved. “This is my son, in whom I am well pleased”…

    To say that worshiping Christ is some false way of religion is dangerously incorrect; Our religion is focused on Christ, and his resurrection. The Bible teaches the only way to worship the father properly, through spirit and truth, is to believe in his one and only son. That is our religion.

    Consider in Revelation, the remnant of Israel that will be saved will only happen when they are made to confess that the Christ whom they crucified was GOD. Remember, they executed him because he said he was one with the Father. Only the remnant will be saved from that generation (Israel), and only after they confess and believe that Christ is God.

    Finally, the Bible says the day is coming when every knee will bow before Christ. Every doesn’t exclude the father.. Of course the Father will bow, he loves his son, and is SO pleased in him.

    Our adulation must be directed to the sacrificial work and love of Christ. God loved us in that he sent Jesus, but Jesus loved us in that he bore our iniquities and punishment. This is why it is right to worship Christ, as this certainly does not displease God, but is the one true gift that the father can receive from us. Recommend you all read Isaiah 52 and 53 very closely.

    In Christ

  26. mike
    on December 7, 2011 at 2:11 pm said:
    Ben, you made a lot of blind, ignorant assumptions, and never actually made a point to follow them up with. Then you never explained in what way my comment was inspired by Satan. Furthermore, your comment sounds like a collage of plagiarism.

    Deuteronomy 24:16

    Exodus 32:30-35 —> MOSES TRIED TO OFFER HIMSELF TO ATONE FOR THE ISRAELITES! “Write me out of your book of Life” cried Moshe! Each man dies for his own sins. And….

    Psalm 49:7

    Jeremiah 31:29-30

    the aforementioned represents my collage of plagiarism!

    The Eternal ONE remains ONE

    hi ho silver!!!

    1. again, no point to your rant, no explanation as to how my comment was inspired by satan, and no challenge for me to show how my views are based on scriptures. I don’t think anyone can even follow what you’re saying.

      1. Mike said “I agree, God is the only one who should be worshiped. Anything else is putting an idol before God. I would like to explain why Jesus, (or some perfect being) did have to die for us to be saved though”

        Ezek. 18:19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

        Deut. 24:16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

        Exodus 32:30 The next day Moses said to the people, “You have sinned a great sin. And now I will go up to the Lord; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.” 31 So Moses returned to the Lord and said, “Alas, this people has sinned a great sin. They have made for themselves gods of gold. 32 But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.” 33 But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book. 34 But now go, lead the people to the place about which I have spoken to you; behold, my angel shall go before you. Nevertheless, in the day when I visit, I will visit their sin upon them.”

        Psalm 49:7 Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life

        Basically what Ben is trying to say is according to the scriptures no one can pay the price for someone else’s sins. We all have to pay for our own sins. Oh and your comment being “inspired by satan” was probably coming from the fact that satan is the father of lies. Well, I hope this helps clarify what Ben was referring to. I don’t know Ben, this is merely my speculation on your conversation with him. Peace

  27. I noticed in the closing of Revelation 22: 6-12 (below) that the individual speaking to John, is speaking in the first person, (I come quickly, etc.), and when John falls down to worship him, he says, Don’t do it, I am thy fellow servant. The same individual who says this to John in verse 9, continues to speak without interruption in verses 10-12, and identifies himself as the Son until the end of the book. I think this indicates that Jesus would prefer that we worship the Father. I think that this is probably not so important as trying to show love to our brothers and sisters, but if you want to get the the little details right, then even Jesus is our fellow servant.

    6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
    7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
    8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
    9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
    10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand
    11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
    12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

  28. Hi everyone. I find this blog a very worthy read. I am a Catholic, and I have recently joined a Christian bible study group as I was called to do so. However what intrigues me is how they see Jesus as the object who saves us from our sins, and that we should worship him. I mean, God gave His son to redeem our sins, shouldn’t we worship the Father who has so kindly given His son for us, and not worship the son? And each time during the sharing session I identified myself as Catholic, there is always this look of hatred and bag of stigma they are ready to throw at me (eg: Mary, confession box). I would not say that I am a true Catholic because I do not practice 100% Catholicism. I believe in the Gospel and God and the only truth is in the Gospel and that’s it. It’s just so saddening how they can discuss the bible at a very intellectual level and yet as soon as they realised there is a Catholic amongst them, they quickly identified me as non-Christian. I just thought this blog is a good avenue for me to let out my feelings and may God shower His blessings amongst you! 🙂

  29. Seriously why should a normal christian worship Jesus,who they claim is God’s son,and I think they are trying to claim that a son is better than the father,isn’t that total foolery,its true Jesus performed miracles and he won poeple’s hearts but that doesn’t mean that he is more powerful than the Almighty!

  30. Great article. As a musician on my worship team, lately I have been amazed at how many songs we are performing about Jesus, and it dawned on me that we spend about eighty percent of our time loving and worshipping a temporary figure and give less time to the Father Who gave His Son.

  31. I think I agree with most of what you say. I feel the only person to be worshipped is God.
    Although I could write an essay on many other aspects of Christianity that don’t make sense to me and seem exclusive and not true.
    I don’t agree with what Paul says half the time and am interested intellectually in the theological suppositions that Pauls thorn in his side was that he could have been gay.
    It’s also been pointed out that Paul was savagely strong in his vindictiveness towards Christians before his conversion and he was still the same strong willed single minded person when writing his letters and exclaiming certain practices were right or wrong as he forged ahead to shape the future of the Church and a certain way of practicing the faith. This may have been somewhat different to what Jesus seemed to show plenty of – love and tolerance.

    1. Just another thought. Weren’t the gospels written 40 years after Jesus death. Now I guess the writers were in their 20’s or 39’s when Jesus died, so that would make them possibly in their 70’s. I have a bad memory in my 40’s for something that happened yesterday, so add 40 years to that and some dimentia and although the basis of the story and translation will hold up, some of the details and exact words spoken would surely be misinterpreted/forgotten. Jesus did say I will write the laws on your heart (a few times). I think you know in your heart if your living right or not and where pride or hatred gets in the way.
      Someone mentioned before about living your neighbour (even your enemy). I think that’s most important.
      It’s a constant battle to put aside self seeking and selfishness/pride and follow the way of love.

    2. thank you for the commentary on st. paul.

      as he stated, he is “least of the apostles and unworthy to be called an apostle.”

  32. Halleluja

    Glad to see there are some more Christians out there who are not brainwashed any more and think for them-self again. Worshipping Jesus is wrong because he is not God.

    Jesus prayed to God and we should follow his example. He also did NOT die for our sins, he just told us what is sin so that we can stop sinning and follow his example, not to worship him.

    The trinity has also been misinterpreted by the church, like so many other things, because the trinity of God means that God is power/male, wisdom/female and love all in one.

    The fruit of the love of the male and female is the child (and we are all Gods children).

    The holy Spirit is the wisdom of God (female) and this was standing originally in the bible, in the book of wisdom.

    Jesus told us that we are what he is. This contradicts the ‘only begotten son’ theory invented by the church. If Jesus was God, than we must be God to and since all know that we are not, than neither is Jesus; according to his own words.

    Jesus told us that in the ‘age to come’ (aquarian age) we will not marry anymore, because will be like the angels AGAIN.’ So acording to his own words we used to be angels. And if we are what he is than he must be an angel to.

    God is a living God who is neither deaf nore dumb. God needs no priests, rabbi or bible (an image) to speak on his behalf and God does not need a sacrifice of blood (Jesus) to forgive us. he forgives us, because he loves us!

    The only animal he wants us to sacrifice is our EGO.
    Love and light to you…smile

  33. John 5:23
    Acts 1:24-25
    Acts 7:59-60
    Acts 9:14
    Acts 9:21
    Acts 22:16
    Romans 10:13
    1 Corinthians 1:2
    2 Corinthians 12:8
    Philippians 2:10
    1 Thessalonians 3:11
    2 Thessalonians 2:16-17
    2 Thessalonians 3:16
    2 Timothy 2:22
    2 Timothy 4:18
    1 Peter 3:12
    1 Peter 3:15
    2 Peter 3:18
    Revelation 1:5-6
    Revelation 5:11-14
    Revelation 7:10
    Revelation 12:10
    Revelation 22:3
    Revelation 22:20

    I am “foudroyant”.

  34. I found this article and comments very liberating. I was raised in the Christian beliefs that we no longer have a direct link to God so he gave us his begotten son. I always wondered, but dare not ask Why he gave us his son that was suppose to be him in human form as a way to worship him? I do believe that God put people on this earth to help guide those of us who become loss. He does this because we can relate to people who are more like ourselves. But I don’t believe that he intended for Jesus to become our God. I don’t believe that Jesus identified himself as God. If he did why when Jesus was crucified he cried My God! My God! why have you forsaken me? Why did he ask God to forgive them they no not what they do? To me these statements were not made by God, but from a man.

  35. The Lord Jesus identified Himself as God in John 5:23.
    He prayed to the Father while on the Cross because the Lord Jesus is also a man.

    1. john 5:23 distinguishes jesus as distinct from his father.

      …22″For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, 23so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. 24″Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.…

      how do you interpret that as jesus identifying himself as god?

      1. Yes, John 5:23 does distinguish the Lord Jesus from the Father because He is not the Father. This passage also teaches that the Lord Jesus is God in that He is to receive honor in equality with the Father. One of the ways people are to honor the Father is to worship Him thus the Lord Jesus is to be worshiped in equality with the Father.
        There is not one passage in the Bible that demonstrates that the Father receives any form of worship that is superior to the Lord Jesus.
        Thus the Lord Jesus is God.

      2. One of the ways the Lord Jesus honored the Father (John 8:49) was by worshiping Him (Matthew 11:25). Since God is honored by our worship of Him so too then the Son is honored by our worship of Him. Refusal to worship the Son dishonors the Father.
        1. Stephen D. Renn: Honoring God in the sense of worshiping and reverencing him in a right spirit is affirmed in John 5:23. This attitude is perfectly illustrated by Jesus’ honoring his heavenly Father in John 8:49. (Expository Dictionary of Bible Words, Honor – τιμάω, page 407)
        2. Robertson: Jesus claims here the same right to worship from men that the Father has. Dishonoring Jesus is dishonoring the Father who sent him (8:49; 12:26; 15:23; 1 John 2:23). See also Luke 10:16. There is small comfort here for those who praise Jesus as teacher and yet deny his claims to worship.
        3. Murray Harris: Object of worship (John 5:23) (Jesus as God, An Outline to the New Testament Testimony to the Deity of Christ, page 316).
        4. D. A. Carson: The reason why the Father has entrusted all judgment to the Son is now disclosed: it is so that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whatever functional subordination may be stressed in this section, it guarantees, as we have seen, that the Son does everything that the Father does (cf. notes on vv. 19-20); and now Jesus declares that its purpose is that the Son may be at one with the Father not only in activity but in honour. This goes far beyond making Jesus a mere ambassador who acts in the name of the monarch who sent him, an envoy plenipotentiary whose derived authority is the equivalent of his master’s. That analogue breaks down precisely here, for the honour given to an envoy is never that given to the head of state. The Jews were right in detecting that Jesus was ‘making himself equal with God’ (vv. 17-18). But this does not diminish God. Indeed, the glorification of the Son is precisely what glorifies the Father (cf. notes on 12:28), just as in Philippians 2:9-11, where at the name of Jesus every knew bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord, and all this to the glory of God the Father. Because of the unique relation between the Father and the Son, the God who declares ‘I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another’ (Is. 42:8; cf. Is. 48:11) is not compromised or diminished when divine honours crown the head of the Son. Granted that the purpose of the Father is that all should honour the Son, it is but a small step to Jesus’ conclusion: He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. In a theistic universe, such a statement belongs to one who is himself to be addressed as God (cf. 20:28), or to stark insanity. The one who utters such things is to be dismissed with pity or scorn, or worshiped as Lord. If with much current scholarship we retreat to seeing in such material less the claims of the Son than the beliefs and witness of the Evangelist and his church, the same options confront us. Either John is supremely deluded and must be dismissed as a fool, or his witness is true and Jesus is to ascribed honours due God alone, There is no rational middle ground. (Carson, The Gospel According to John [William Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, MI/ Cambridge, U.K.], pp. 254-255).

        1. you utterly reversed the intention of isiah’s prophecy, “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another” to mean, “i am the lord, i give my glory to jesus.”

          a simple reading of all your references will clearly disprove your point at scripture’s face value, without reading (erroneous) inferences into them, as you have.

          just read the word, brother!

          1. You totally misapply this text in Isaiah. Since the Lord Jesus is to (and does) receive the same level of worship as the Father this proves He is “the LORD” so the Father is not giving His glory to another “LORD” .Thus you are reading your erroneous inferences into the text. When you say just read the word what you really mean is in addition to reading the word I should also accept your take on what it means.

            I’d like to see your Greek credentials and we can compare them with those that I have cited concerning John 5:23.

            Furthermore, another way to see if your assertion concerning John 5:23 is correct please cite any passage where the Father receives a form of worship that is superior to that of the Son.

          2. let the reader of our conversation decide who’s making sense and who’s making stuff up.

      3. I wrote this earlier:
        “There is not one passage in the Bible that demonstrates that the Father receives any form of worship that is superior to the Lord Jesus.”

        Since you were unable to do so perhaps someone else will be able to.

        1. the question doesn’t make sense. what is “superior worship” and who is going to define that?

          jesus said, “an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

          jesus directs worship to the father! (no mention of the son in that commandment)

          and jesus repeatedly defined himself as subordinate to the father:

          “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.”

          “For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother”

          “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”

          why would you look to the actions of man to prove who jesus is?
          absurd! look to jesus to see who jesus is!

      4. You cited John 4:23-24 but the very same Greek word used for worship (proskyneō) is repeated by John within his Gospel to the worship rendered unto the Son (John 9:38).

        So yes, look to the Lord Jesus just as the man did in John 9.

        Your first attempt to cite a passage where the Father receives worship superior to that of the Son has failed.


        1. you think that by proving in scripture that the father received no “superior” worship to jesus that the Father wants people to worship jesus?

          this is an inherent fallacy.


          “You…who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel” (matthew 23:24) you utterly ignore what jesus said, to prove your point.

          the bible gives adequate authority to worshiping the Father only:

          Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! deuteronomy 6:4

          For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus 1 timothy 2:5 (note the distinction between the God, the Father, and Jesus, the mediator.)

          yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 1 corinthian 8:6 (The Apostle Paul notes the distinction between the Father and Jesus.)

          “For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32

          “Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60

          “‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6

          if you don’t believe what jesus said about worshipping the father, believe paul, samuel, isiah or moses.

          readers, note what happens when LEGALISM takes over from faith: you try to prove your point by citing the bible, instead of seeking the TRUTH in scripture.

          let the reader read the bible with open eyes and ears and worship GOD, who is one.

          1. Your example from the Book of John proved to be disaster in support of your position for the same Greek word for worship is properly rendered unto the Son within the same book.
            Your comments rambled on and on but never got around to supplying a passage where the Father receives worship superior to that of the Son.

            It’s time for you to throw in the towel on a theory that is not supported by the Bible.

          2. thank you for proving my point(s)

            let the reader discern what is truth and what is fallacy.

  36. Unfortunately you fail to understand that Yahshua HaMashiach – Jesus Christ did have to come to earth and literally bare our sins – God Elohim is accomplishing more than just bringing us back to himself which is completely awesome in itself. YHVH is also dealing with Angelic rebellion and the education of His precious Sons and daughters. The program of YHVH, His plans and desires are far more encompassing than we can even begin to imagine. YHVH must demonstrate not only His love but His Justice, His Holiness, His Power and Authority. Whilst the Bible is a love story to His precious sons and daughters it is also a commentary on the fallen Angels and what should be done with the knowledge of Good and Evil. Jesus literally had to be the Second Adam and fulfil God’s justice just as much as He had to be the message of Love.

  37. My friend, you seem to be refining your understanding of monotheism. I pray your sincerity leads you closer to the Truth. God loves us so much, He forgives us…repeatedly..with a sincere, repentant heart as the only condition.
    Asalaam alaikum 🙂

  38. Only Luke and John contain references to the divinity of Jesus and the concept of salvation and therefore it is likely that both concepts came along during the development of Christianity, possibly influenced by the fact that the religion found it easier to recruit from pagans, rather than Jews. There is a huge amounts of scholarly evidence that points to the Bible having been extensively gerrymandered. Doubts exist about the authorship of several books and the Canon and the original Greek reads is nothing like the English translation. I can’t regard anything put together under these circumstances as though it has the authority of God behind it — neither do I regard as a creation myth (Adam and Eve) as a substantive basis for the idea of salvation. If I believe this, then I have to believe that we are all descended from just one man and one woman and will therefore all the product of incest. To imagine that there might have been other people in the world at the same time who were not involved in the tree of knowledge thing, is to then say that these people were not involved in the so-called original sin and that we could well be descended from them and not lead salvation. It’s a theological mess!

    1. Not only do Luke and John “contain references to the divinity of Jesus” but so does Paul (1 Corinthians 1:2) and Peter (1 Peter 3:15).

      1. Paul never met Jesus and relied upon second-hand evidence (at best), there are doubts over the authenticity of 1 Peter… to say nothing of the mistranslation of much of the original Greek. There was no room to regard the Bible is the word of God and possessing this authority.

        1. Your assertion that only Luke and John contain references to the divinity of Jesus has failed. Both of them do. In fact, so does Jude. In Jude 1:4 he refers to the Lord Jesus as our “only Master and Lord”. The Greek word for “Master” is despotēs and it is also used of the Father in Acts 4:24. The fact that the Christian has only one “Master” in heaven is proof of the Supreme Deity of Christ.
          You simply wave off the biblical testimony with your unsupportable assertions. That is not evidence. Simply asserting something without proof won’t cut it.

      2. Neither 1 Corinthians 1:2 nor 1 Peter 3:15 refer to Jesus as equal to the father, nor do these verses instruct the Christian to worship Jesus.

        Marc Taylor, you are expert at twisting and perverting the scripture to prove your point. You are the wolf in sheep’s clothing Jesus referred to.

  39. The most loving response is one that would not seek to discomfort you further. I sincerely hope that you can tick you continue to derive spiritual sustenance from the Bible and what you see as its inerrancy. Hopefully, the futility of quoting the Bible at me (a Canon that, as a non-Christian, doesn’t possess the same authority that it does for you), will dissuade you from entering into further discourse. Far more worthy scholars than I am never likely to be, have pointed out that there is much, by way of crucial information, that doesn’t make its way from pulpit to pew and not because the members of the congregation would be unable to understand what they are being told. Make no mistake, I would like to be able to become a Christian, but if it remains to find by accepting the more widely held orthodoxies, then clearly I have to wait for the grace of God to move me to a different understanding.

    1. I am not discomforted. I want to see your proof for your assertions. Who are these scholars? What is the proof for what they are asserting that you adhere to? You posted on this forum but when asked to back up your claims (their claims) nothing was offered.

      1. Marc Taylor,you are under the mistaken impression that bible scholars define Christianity. Jesus did that already. He does not need further re-interpretation. Just read what Jesus said. Isn’t Christianity about Jesus and what he said and did? Did Jesus intend to reveal his message or obscure it?

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  41. Revelation 20:6
    Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. (NASB)

    a. A priest of God would offer supreme worship to God (Leviticus 1:9).
    b. A priest of Baal would offer supreme worship to Baal (2 Kings 10:19).
    c. A priest of Zeus would offer supreme worship to Zeus (Acts 14:13).
    d. A priest of Christ would offer supreme worship to Christ (Revelation 20:6).

    Murray Harris: the final picture the New Testament gives of the eternal state is one where ‘slaves’ (douloi) are completely devoted to the worship and service (latreusousin) of the Lord God and the Lamb (Rev. 22:3). The redeemed remain ‘slaves’ although their service is that of priests (cf. Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6) (Slave of Christ: A New Testament Metaphor to Total Devotion to Christ, page 139).

    Those who deny the Lord Jesus is worshiped are refuted by what the Bible teaches.

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